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• Rescue Shit • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Join us as we discuss the benefits of raw food and give a shout out to Darwin's Natural Pet Products who sponsor our animals with donated food (and free delivery)!


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jme:

Hi, I'm jme. Now you forgot what you're supposed to say?

Pate:

No, I forget. I just, I don't know why I started laughing. Um, I just

jme:

You don't know why you started laughing.

Pate:

I just, I don't know. Um, okay. This.

jme:

Hi, I'm jme.

Pate:

This is Pate

jme:

and this is our, no. We are Motley Zoo.

Pate:

Animal Rescue.

jme:

Oh, uh huh. Alright, I think we need to start over.

Pate:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

jme:

Alright, hi, I'm Jamie.

Pate:

And I'm Patty.

jme:

We're Motley's Zoo Animal Rescue.

Pate:

I was gonna say Rock on Rescue All. And this is our podcast, Rescue Shit. No squeaking. And we still don't have a squeaky toy. Rob,

jme:

how could we forget that?

Pate:

Rob, can you say something?

jme:

Yes, would you like to meet our guest of honor today? She's being disobedient.

Pate:

Rob? Come hither. Come here.

jme:

Oh, and you'll see we've hung our sign.

Pate:

There's our hand. Oh, yeah, there we go.

jme:

And, uh, yeah, apparently Rob is not wanting to be on the show.

Pate:

No. She's, uh, she's a daddy's girl. Mm hmm. And daddy is. Cheating on her right now with, uh, another dog that she can see.

jme:

Uhhuh. Yeah. She's training. She doesn't like that. So today we're gonna talk about raw food. Mm. This is something that can be very controversial. Mm-hmm For a lot of people. And we just wanna talk about our experiences with it and talk about our sponsor of many of our rescue dogs.

Pate:

It's, Darwin's Natural Pet Products has been donating, or rather sponsoring, food, their raw food, for our rescue dogs. We've been With them for like what? Approximately four years now.

jme:

Yeah.

Pate:

And they started donating to us back when we were at the Redmond daycare. And then there was obviously that transitional period that we had when we moved over here and they started up again, donating the raw food for our foster dogs here at our Monroe property.

jme:

Do they come straight here?

Pate:

Yes, that's a good thing about Darwin's is that it's free home delivery. So that makes it very convenient

jme:

Well, I remember at the beginning that they weren't sure that they were gonna be able to make it up here So it's even even more impressive. Yeah that they've been so generous to us and they deliver it right to us. So this is really a spectacular service and something we want to say thank you to Darwin's for. And I was saying that their catchphrase should be the evolution of raw.

Pate:

Darwin's evolution. I get it. So clever.

jme:

We get the food for both cats and dogs, but primarily, you know, we have a lot more, well, the dogs eat more, I guess, than the cats can. So, usually we focus on dog and we often get beef or turkey or chicken. There's a couple different, varieties, but they also have some lamb and duck, and they come in a kind of like a patty, it's almost like the shape, and thicker than a hamburger, but it's about, yeah, and there's like four patties in that package, and they're freeze, uh, no, like.

Pate:

The wrap

jme:

shrink wrap is the word I wanted to say. And so, you know, it's really easy to, take them out and, and thaw them and, and use them.

Pate:

Yeah.

jme:

So, we know the food is really high quality but, there's a bunch of things you have to think about before you can, start giving raw food. And one of those is how you handle it. Especially right now, this is gonna make our content not so evergreen, but right now we are experiencing an outbreak of bird flu, in the United States and there's actually a sizable number of cases near us. We are gonna do another episode to update, on the status of that, but it's important right now. Especially for the chicken that we not be feeding raw chicken to cats, especially. So what are we doing right now to combat any, kind of problems with that?

Pate:

Well, it kind of, defeats the purpose of being raw, but does not defeat the purpose of being high quality, right? And we are right now for the chicken, especially we are, cooking it, there have been some cases of contamination, not with Darwin's. There has been contamination of, milk, you know, so don't do raw milk. I don't do milk in general, so I don't have to worry about that, and we don't want to feed milk to our animals, but it is crossing over to, the cows as well. And you know, the chickens, obviously you've seen it with our lack of eggs in the grocery store or our extremely high priced few eggs in the grocery store. We are cooking our chicken just to be safe, we like to be prudent, you know,

jme:

well, and of the bird flu that they've seen in cats, the ones that weren't on contaminated farms were cases where the cats Drank or ate raw products. So raw milk or raw chicken. So, knowing that that is, a direct kind of correlation. And who knows, I mean, it could have been raw chicken right out of their backyard or raw chicken from a contaminated farm down the street.

Pate:

Or yeah, or just like a random bird that they ate that It's another topic of why you keep cats inside the house.

jme:

Correct. So, we're just trying to be cautious. Darwin's has three different kinds of products. They have the natural selects products, which is free range, Vegetarian and organic. Organic.

Pate:

Organic, not vegetarian,

jme:

sorry. I mean organic Organic range for veggies. Yeah. Free range. Free range and organic for their veggie components.

Pate:

That's funny.

jme:

It's human grade ethically sourced. The price is a little bit more per package, so it's about$5 more than the biologics, which is. Called economy.

Pate:

Well, I mean economic. Yeah, it's it's more economic, right? Because it's not It's not free range. It's still ethically sourced, but it's not free range animals and it's not organic veggies per se

jme:

which is fine. I also wanted to mention besides the natural selects biologics, which is the one we usually use. Yeah, there's intelligent design with Which is formulated for health issues.

Pate:

Yeah, so those are vet formulas. Mm hmm for you know for kidneys and liver, cancer And other issues joints.

jme:

Yeah, so there's a couple different varieties and you know the people at Darwin's You know will help you figure out which Recipe is right for you. And remember there is free delivery, right? So this could be something that you You know, want to give it a try. Right. And you can, we can say that, yeah, we, we do that and it's been primarily beneficial to, most of our animals. We know that Darwin's is an up and up company that really tries to support humane care and the environment.

Pate:

Right. And then, and then support adoption, centers like, rescues and shelters like us. So they're very like minded in that way.

jme:

Yeah, I can say that no other company has come up to us and said, well, they'll just give us food. Like other companies have said that we can get a discount. But no other company has just said, here you go.

Pate:

Right? I mean, and even, oh, and I remember Hills, we were going to, just for the sake of having, some standard, Food.

jme:

Yeah, consistency.

Pate:

Consistent, yeah, consistent food, just in case, you know, donations were low that month or whatever, to have consistent food. I know that we had reached out to Hills because, they donate quite a large portion of food to the shelters, but, not to rescues because we just don't, I don't know, do the volume that they, I,

jme:

yeah, I think volume is the problem. You have to accept like pallets at a time. And that's not something that a smaller rescue can do.

Pate:

Right. Yeah.

jme:

So, one of the benefits of raw food, it's the enzymes, right?

Pate:

Well, so raw food, as opposed to, the cooked. Or extruded diets, they call it RMBD, so that's raw meat based diets, are more biochemically complex with bioactive. Compounds. So it's higher in antioxidants, like vitamin C and E, and flavonoids. So that's more beneficial to your health. And as we know, when you cook food that, that's carcinogenic.

jme:

Yeah, there's chemical changes that happen when you cook food. And, it's probably especially known When you're talking about cooking, like meat on a grill, the charring is actually something that they've shown can be carcinogenic. And the same is true for the oils that you use in your foods. You should use high flashpoint oils, because they're less likely to make these chemical changes with heat.

Pate:

What? Like what oil?

jme:

So, for example, avocado oil has a higher flashpoint than olive oil. So, if you cook it too much, olive oil can make this transformation.

Pate:

What about coconut oil?

jme:

I'm not sure what the flashpoint is, but that's what it's called, the flashpoint, and that's where it can start to mutate. That's a little bit. too scientific for us right now. We don't want to get that complicated.

Pate:

Yeah, no. Well that's why, you look at your research papers and stuff like that. Although, I can tell you that you know, cause I do a lot of research and stuff I'm a dork, and I read a lot of medical papers. So when, when people argue about research I can push back on some things.

jme:

Well, that's like, remember when we were trying to, talk to the vets about, the Giardia and floats, and we were saying that,

Pate:

cause Giardia sinks, so you're not going to see it in the floats.

jme:

Correct. And so we used the antigen test, the vets were saying that it didn't work. And we just kept asking for any paper, any scientific paper that showed that. And no vet could give us any of that evidence. Right. And in the end, we lost the argument simply because we're not vets, and they are.

Pate:

I read, and there was a, there was a CEU, which is Continuing Education Credit, that vet techs and vets, you know, have to, just like doctors and nurses and therapists, you have to do a certain number of CEU, Continuing Education, credits per year to continue your license or whatever, and there was actually, a CEU on giardia where one of the vets gave that, course about, GRD antigen tests and just GRD in general, because it's, it's a pain as everyone knows, like giardia is out there and you can go in your backyard and it's out there.

jme:

We should do. I think we did an episode.

Pate:

Did we do an episode on GRD?

jme:

Well, we did it on parasites. Are you sure? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I'll look. Sometimes we forget what we did.

Pate:

I always blame my chemo brain for that.

jme:

I don't have that.

Pate:

I've got, I've got a great excuse.

jme:

I don't. I don't. I'm just dumb. Yeah.

Pate:

No.

jme:

Well, we established that, I think it was in the last episode where I'm like, why can't I ever do the introduction right? But today I did it right and you did it wrong

Pate:

and I just couldn't stop laughing. So I don't know. It's the sign. Yeah. So excited about the sign.

jme:

I know. It is great because Especially the webcam on this new camera is so much better. So you can actually see the words and I think even a little bit of backlighting really helps. So well,

Pate:

and we've got a good day. It's not too sunny.

jme:

Yes. Overcast days are good for, for recording.

Pate:

Yeah. the thing is, is that we're not promoting raw based. If you're not comfortable giving raw food to your animals, we're not pushing you for that. We're just, this is an anecdotal, um, S um, story. Yeah. I don't know what, what, what is it? Anecdotal data. I don't know how you wanna say it, but

jme:

it's just our experience.

Pate:

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

jme:

And so most of the dogs do really well on it.

Pate:

Oh yeah. I mean, and they all love it. Yeah. I think that you know, we were worried when we started cooking that some of the dogs would just turn their noses up at it.'cause we do have some picky dogs. Ned, and Ava. And I don't know why they're picky, because you got Ned, who's uh, Mexican street dog, like, I'm sorry, you're on the streets, why are you so picky now? And then, Eva, who, again, I mean, she was on a chain, you can't tell me that she was given great food, and then, after she was off the chain, she was roaming around for like nine months on her own, scavenging, but now, she's like a little pretty princess, and she's like, mm, no, thank you.

jme:

I will say, in the Daily Report, that go out to the staff and the volunteers that are working here on what's going on and what was accomplished and who ate and who was sick or anything like that. And Ava. It's like a total diva

Pate:

Eva. Yeah.

jme:

Yeah, they have to do little dances around to just make her try and eat the flavor things on and they do all the things to try and get her to eat. And she just is very picky.

Pate:

No. Yeah, but she loves her Darwin's though, you know,

jme:

that's good. Maybe it's like when she was first rescued, once she got used to being in the house, she didn't want to go outside when it was raining. She's like, I remember all those days. I remember scavenging and now she only eats caviar.

Pate:

Yeah, exactly. Well, and then sometimes she's just like, I really don't want to feel like that caviar. So we have to get Rob who refused to introduce herself on the podcast today. Like Rob, we'll have to go into. Her area and sit there and then

jme:

create competition.

Pate:

Yeah, because I mean, and that's actually a very husky thing to do.

jme:

Not like they're fighting for their food. But if, if Rob is nearby, then Eva will eat. She'll be more instinctually motivated to eat because she feels like. someone else could take her food.

Pate:

Right.

jme:

Which is really, that's so weird for a dog that really did live outside for most of the time.

Pate:

But I mean, that's such a husky trait. I see it so often in our huskies. Allie, the blind husky that I have, she does the same thing. I mean, ever since she was a baby, I'd have to get maxwell was my Basenji. And, he was very food motivated. And, if Allie didn't want to eat and Max got close, she could smell him because she's blind. And she would start crowding her bowl and start eating.

jme:

That's funny.

Pate:

Yeah. But yeah, it's a total husky thing. We had to do it to Rob But now Rob has become such a food lover because of all the training that's been going on with her. Yeah. Cause she wants what everyone else wants. Yeah.

jme:

And yeah, she's, she's quite a character.

Pate:

That's a husky thing. Yeah. She's like, they're getting treats. I need those.

jme:

So what are some of the benefits of feeding raw food?

Pate:

So, one of the best benefits because, being a rescue, we see a lot of. medical issues or whatever. And we see a lot of underweight dogs,

jme:

malnutrition.

Pate:

Yeah. Malnutrition. That causes a crappy coat, the dandruff. Some of the dogs that we get, I'm sorry, like we have wonderful dogs, but then we also have some of those backyard breeder dogs with. Really, really sensitive stomach, skin allergies, things like that. And the raw diet we found has a lot of great benefits when it comes to their coat and their skin. Once you get them acclimated to the raw diet, it's really great for their GI system as well.

jme:

Because of those bioactive compounds, and they get. More out of their food than if it was processed or cooked and the Darwin site states, you know less Waste in the process of elimination elimination. So, less poop which is true Of any food that is actually a high quality because it may be more expensive, but you'll feed less of it because it's not full of fillers,

Pate:

right?

jme:

And so their poops will be smaller because they're actually using more of the food.

Pate:

Well, it's less carbohydrates, less starch, less.

jme:

Yeah. The carbohydrates, can be what contribute to flatulence,

Pate:

especially in cats, you know, like dogs are omnivorous, right? So they're used to having fruits and veggies and things like that. I still am on the fence about these vegetarian diets. I'm still researching that, so I'm not promoting them or not promoting them. I just. Don't know enough about them and how they are, but you know the the dogs that we have we're vegetarians So we don't eat Meat and I'm not gonna be like militant on you or whatever, but you know, we have animals and our animals Do eat meat. And then the dogs are omnivorous. So they also eat fruits and veggies. And so their stomach is different than a cat, where a cat is typically more carnivorous.

jme:

Yeah, so their digestive system is actually set up differently. And there's a shorter input to output length and they are not really set up to digest the carbohydrates. So, the raw food can actually help with allergies and, some other things. So I will say the coat thing is a big thing. That is a very visual. Immediate kind of thing that you can see a result of the raw food. Meatball used to have super greasy fur, and the people at the store said, you know, Oh, try raw, which at the time I hadn't really thought of. It ended up being too hard for me to maintain it, in the long term. But. It did really work well, and then I did end up finding a kibble that worked pretty well for him, and he wasn't greasy after that. It seemed like a phase in his life. It was really weird, but I mean, we gave him a greasy teenager phase. Yeah, we gave him a bath like every,

Pate:

except he wasn't a teenager.

jme:

Well, he was literally in, in real years, but not in dog years. But yeah, I don't know. So I will say that the coat is one of the things that you see change in front of your eyes after about. Two weeks or so being on a really good diet, their coat just changes and it becomes Lustrous and soft and you know before it was like just dull and flaky So that is a visual very visual thing that you can see

Pate:

yeah And there's I mean and there's different because jme was saying how it was hard to keep up on that raw diet And you know the raw diet What we have is You know you thaw the packet So that's easy peasy, right? Some people actually make their own raw food. Okay. I'm not a cooker. I don't like to waste my time. I mean, sorry. I do consider it a waste of time to, to eat and make meals and yeah, I want everything.

jme:

I think part of the reason for us was, it was honestly just too gross for us.

Pate:

Like, ah, yeah,

jme:

it's really just too gross. Even the freeze dried patties. The feeling of breaking them apart and everything like I prefer them But I do not like the feeling of them and I just I don't know I the meat part though just grossed me out a lot and it grossed Bryan out and I think honestly, that's really why we couldn't do it. But, you know, most people do eat meat. So you were talking about thawing it. Why don't you discuss some of the safety involved in this? And this is typically, yeah, this is typically why, people frown upon. Feeding a raw diet, but because it's about the safety handling, but if you're eating meat, you already should be doing these things.

Pate:

Right. Yeah. I mean, and that's the thing is like, they say that some raw diets that they've tested.

jme:

The FDA this is.

Pate:

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. The FDA.

jme:

Which, how much can we trust them anymore?

Pate:

Well, not just that. I'm just, I'm sitting here going, so I was looking at the statistics with the FDA, right? And the FDA was saying that, you know, they found like Salmonella E. coli Listeria in the raw food from, they didn't give any names or anything, but they tested some raw food for animals. But then they didn't say how many other companies had recalls for Salmonella, Listeria, E. coli, and there's safety recalls all the damn time on kibble, on, um,

jme:

on people food.

Pate:

People wasn't even going to go with people. I was, I was just comparing like dogs, or cats, you know, like, I'm just comparing pet food, right?

jme:

For example, when I moved here, I was like, I would never eat at Jack in the Box because growing up on the East Coast, there was a big, like, E. coli thing with Jack in the 90s. And so we never had it there. So the only thing we knew about Jack in the Box was a bunch of people got really sick and a bunch of people died. And it was a big deal. And so when I first moved here, I was like, I am never going there. But no one here thought that way because it's like, if that happened to McDonald's, like there's so many McDonald's everywhere, you just forget about it, but I will never forget about it. I've eaten fries there once, but that's it. And yeah, so it's the kind of thing where, you know, People get sick. And people seem to have far more recalls than animals do.

Pate:

Remember the romaine lettuce? Like, I still won't eat romaine lettuce. Because, I mean, wasn't that, that was like the longest time that we couldn't eat romaine lettuce.

jme:

I know, and I still

Pate:

Was it E. coli?

jme:

Uh, no, I think it was listeria.

Pate:

Yeah, whatever.

jme:

Or salmonella. I can't remember.

Pate:

No, it can't be salmonella. No, I think it was E. coli.

jme:

I think you're right. Yeah, or, I don't know. Well, and we, I think we talked about this in an episode before, is that that comes from the runoff of the dairy farms that are near the produce, so Yeah, so So, you know, it's, it's Scary because you're trying to eat lettuce and trying to eat vegetarian and then you know that happens But I would say there's far more contamination with me.

Pate:

Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the thing It's like you have to worry about the salmonella E. Coli like Syria all the time with With raw meat. Your human food. Yeah, yeah, because like if you're gonna have, because I remember when, one of my dogs, when she was really sick with her cancer, I would do anything for her. Which is, you know, cook, like, meat for her, which, for me, is, is kind of a thing, right? So, I mean, and I used to eat meat, too, and I would get grossed out by it, but going to the grocery store. And, and I hadn't bought meat in so long and I went to the beef section and I'm like, holy hell. I'm like, what the hell do I get? And I was walking up and down. I was like, Oh my God, there's filets. There's I'm like, do I get a filet mignon? I mean, I'm like, what's this roundhouse thing? And then, you know, I'm just like, and it's just like, you know, slabs of meat or whatever. Then there was beef cheek and I'm like, what? Because I could picture it. Right. And then there's like beef tongue. And I'm like, Ooh, I guess I could totally picture it. And and I kept walking back and forth and there's like a lady with her two kids and she's like, Oh, I see you're having a hard time. She didn't even know it was for my dog. And then she's like, Oh, you should try the beef cheek. It's so good. And I'm like,

jme:

That's really funny.

Pate:

But you know what? I did end up getting it for her. And I actually just started grabbing meat. And I was like, Oh, this one's already, this one's already chopped up. I'm going to try this. And then, you know, and I did end up cooking it for her. But I have to tell you that I had that beef cheek because the other ones I could kind of like step away from the meat part of it, you know, like the animal part of it. Right. Because it didn't look like it, it just looked like chunks. Right. And I'm like, okay, fine. I don't know where this is on the cow. Right. But then it took me like a week to even get the beef cheek out. Because I kept looking at it and going,

jme:

Yeah, just, just talking about it makes me want to vomit.

Pate:

And then when I was like cooking it, it was so greasy. I'm like, Yeah. And then she ended up not liking it.

jme:

Oh, no. The only meat that I give dogs now is if it's cooked. So like, I'll go get a rotisserie chicken leg or something like that. Or, Deli meat, little buttons now. He only eats deli meat pretty much.

Pate:

Yeah. But see, that's processed so it doesn't look like it, right?

jme:

No, I know, but yeah, I'll touch it because it's a little more familiar to me. But I never really did cook meat. Even before I was a vegetarian, I wasn't a big meat cooker. I did cook fish, but,

Pate:

so, yeah, so basically You get the food out of the freezer. You have to make sure that, like, whatever surface you use, you gotta wash your hands, you gotta wash the surface, You gotta make sure that your utensils and then The bowl that you, Use for the meat is, not

jme:

porous.

Pate:

Yeah. So, I mean, we use steel.

jme:

Yes. Let's break it down a little further. So, first of all, it has to be frozen at, 40 degrees Fahrenheit or less. to be ideal. Right. And then you take it out of the freezer and you put it in the fridge. You want to be defrosting it in the fridge.

Pate:

Right.

jme:

Do not leave it on the counter. So it probably is going to take a whole day.

Pate:

Yeah.

jme:

Or maybe even a day and a half to

Pate:

depending on your settings

jme:

to thaw in the fridge. And then once it's thawed, you need to use it. Darwin says between two and four days. So we pick the magic number three. We use it within three days.

Pate:

Yeah.

jme:

And we write yeah. in sharpie on the container. And they do give you a serving tub or defrosting tub so that you can, keep it in your fridge and the juices aren't going to leak or anything like that. So they give you a container to use. But it's important not to put it like in the top of your fridge. You want to put it on the bottom shelf so that It's, if it drips or if it spills, it's not going to spill all over your fruit and produce.

Pate:

Yeah, and hopefully it won't spill because it is, I mean, I hate plastic, but it's in plastic,

jme:

plastic wrap.

Pate:

Yeah, yeah, so, um.

jme:

But still it, yeah, it sweats and it's, yep. And yeah, the blood part is the part that Brian hates the most.

Pate:

Oh, really?

jme:

Yeah.

Pate:

Mm-hmm

jme:

But, but yeah, so, so then you know, you really,

Pate:

dogs don't care.

jme:

No. You really should have a separate set of tools for this. So a separate cutting board, a separate, bowl that you only use for that and knife that you only use for raw meat. And you really have to make sure that you're washing them thoroughly, washing the surface thoroughly, and then washing your hands with, hot and soapy water.

Pate:

Right. And then also, we do bleach baths, you know,

jme:

for the dishes,

Pate:

for the dishes because we have a lot of dogs, right? The only dishes that we use are stainless steel, like I said, plastic and the ceramic or porcelain. They're porous. So, I mean, can you really get them 100 percent clean? If something decides to stick,

jme:

which I didn't know that about ceramic because you think about a toilet and you think about it not being porous, right? Like, so

Pate:

it's got different coating as opposed to like what you eat, right?

jme:

Like you're not an edible. You're not going to eat out of the toilet, so.

Pate:

No, that's so gross. Oh my gosh, did you see? There's a meme and they were eating out of the toilet. It was a clean toilet and it was like for a display, a specific display. And when they flushed, it was like chocolate. Oh. And I'm like, no, thank you.

jme:

That's, no, that's a tough one. I can't deal with that. No, that's, yeah.

Pate:

But I'm sitting here going, why would you want to eat out of the toilet anyway, right? But, um, but yeah, I've actually never thought of that.

jme:

You know what was funny is that, I used to, if I was in a hurry to go to the daycare in the morning, I would bring my pills in my pocket, my medication, and as I took them out of my pocket, one of my pills, Went on to the floor in the dog room in the little dog room behind the desk And rolled and I picked it up and and ate it I know and like

Pate:

Giardia

jme:

and Carrie saw me and she goes did you just eat that and I was like yeah, and I'm like I know these floors are clean because I cleaned them last night and I'm like, that should be a commercial. Like it's so clean that we'll eat off of it. But yeah, and then I was like, okay, I probably won't ever do that again. But I wouldn't do that at home. Because at home,

Pate:

you don't clean every night the way we do.

jme:

Yeah, with disinfectants. So, I actually wasn't worried at all. Yeah, but yeah, she laughed at me and thought it was weird, right? Well, it is a little weird. And now I've admitted something embarrassing.

Pate:

You know what? I'm sorry. Five second rule, man. five second rule. Oh, we're outside.

jme:

Remember when we got crumble cookie and I handed you the box and it collapsed in the front seat of the car and they are so,

Pate:

oh, and then we were picking through it going, okay, which one is this?

jme:

Well, and like some of them landed upside down on the really dirty floor mat and there was no fucking way that we were going to eat that. No, but yeah, we were like, okay, this one looks okay.

Pate:

This one landed on my leg. I'm good.

jme:

Such a travesty. We were so disappointed.

Pate:

I, yeah, it was, it was like that slow mo and then like that pan out to both of our faces like not moving with our hands going, Oh,

jme:

but do you know what? They changed the boxes because I guarantee you enough people complain that their boxes just collapse.

Pate:

Yes. So flimsy.

jme:

So they changed the boxes. Yeah. And, I was like, Oh, you changed the box. That's great.

Pate:

Yeah. Because now what they need to do is change their egg policy. And stop doing, like, battery cage egg people.

jme:

Oh. Yeah.

Pate:

Hey, Crumble Cookie, if you're listening, Free range, man. Free range. No, free roam. Not free range. Because I think now, like, you can say free range, but it just means that they're not in a battery cage, but they're still in a barn. And I think free roam is They're out in the pastures.

jme:

Yeah, they're like

Pate:

getting avian flu.

jme:

Wing to wing inside a barn and they still can't move around very well. Yeah. Yeah. No, you want to, if you're going to get eggs, then you want to make sure that, you know, take care of those chickens. Yeah. Anyway. So, um, salmonella. Yeah. We're almost out of time. Yeah. Um, is there anything else that you want to talk about?

Pate:

How do you know we're out of time?

jme:

Uh, cause we're at, Our time.

Pate:

Oh, because I can't see.

jme:

Well, there's a timer right there.

Pate:

Okay. I still can't see

jme:

Pate doesn't do any of the What is

Pate:

I just talk

jme:

post production. Yeah, she's not. Yeah, she just thought

Pate:

I'm like, I don't have time Not that jme has time but like yeah,

jme:

yeah, but at least this is something I like doing I like doing the editing and I like doing

Pate:

I would get bored It I got bored. I got bored the other day just Trying to go through like looking at current fosters and not current fosters with the the software, you know Oh, and then I told so that I was like, okay, I'm bored now. I got to do

jme:

Yeah, it does take a long time like for each episode it probably takes me yeah two hours

Pate:

But but that's the problem with ADHD, you know, you either get hyper fixated Or, you're, I'm like, I can't do this. I gotta go. You know?

jme:

Yeah, I, I just have trouble doing things that I really don't want to do.

Pate:

I'll come back to it. That was the thing. That's what I said, too. And I was like, I'll come back to it. Goddamn, but not today. But um, but yeah, like no, so raw food. We feed ours. Uh, Raw Food by Darwin's, there's a bunch of other, um, companies, um, do your research, you know, um.

jme:

Oh, one thing I do want to say is that, um, in watching a webinar about bird flu, they said that the freeze dried frozen, freeze dried, yeah, freeze dried raw doesn't kill. The flu virus.

Pate:

No, no, freeze dried wouldn't. No, you got to cook it. You have to get high temperatures to kill.

jme:

Yeah, well, like the Stella and Chewy's that we do or whatever. Yeah, that's those are things so that we still

Pate:

that's considered raw.

jme:

We would have to cook it. Yeah, or not, you know, just so you know, freezing doesn't doesn't kill the virus.

Pate:

Yeah. And then there's a question about and this is especially important with cats because the dogs They're showing like upper respiratory symptoms, like a kennel cough kind of symptom, but not fatalities, right? The cats are the ones who are experiencing fatalities and there was a question. And I don't know if this is true or not. So, is this kind of hearsay? I don't know. But it could be fake news, because I haven't researched it definitively. But the big cat sanctuary in Shelton, the thought was like, hey, because they're outdoor or whatever. The wild birds, they got the wild birds, or the wild birds contaminated their enclosures, but then another one was like, was their food contaminated?

jme:

Mm hmm. Well, and, so, we'll go into this in a little bit more detail in the next episode, The Bird Flu 2.

Pate:

Yeah, Bird Flu 2.

jme:

But there, it is in rodents, it is in rabbits, skunks, raccoons, seals, wolves. Besides birds. So they've there. It's almost in every kind of

Pate:

right, right, but it's

jme:

cattle.

Pate:

Yeah Yeah, and it's in varying degrees, right? We know that it will kill birds. We know also it will kill Cats

jme:

it kills most of the cats.

Pate:

Yeah. Yeah But a seal in Chicago died from it. Mm hmm, you know, so I mean and who knows maybe there's something else going on with that seal, right, and that's one of the things and like I said, we're not fear mongers or anything like that But I'm always cautionary until I know more and that is the reason why with our chicken we have been cooking our raw chicken And it's still less processed than kibble so,

jme:

it is a bit of a conundrum that we're we're doing that but The reason we get it is because it's better food, not, not just because it's raw.

Pate:

Right. And I know that the pet stores they are still selling raw food and they would know when the recalls are coming out. They have faith in their suppliers. Of raw foods like, you know, Darwin's or like Small Batch is another brand, Northwest Naturals.

jme:

I think, too, that, you know, when you're working for a better pet food company, like, you're You're not selling to the masses. And so I often think that the the processes and the Sourcing are more thoughtful more thoughtful more deliberate and yes They're still there to make a profit, but they're gonna take fewer chances than Alpo but in general These companies are in it for the animals, humane care, and

Pate:

Right, the raw food people as opposed to like some mass producing kibble people. What was that, show that you watched?

jme:

Oh, alright. Yeah, so there's a movie out there called Pet Fooled. And it is

Pate:

Where'd you see it?

jme:

I want to say it was Netflix, but if you just look up where can I watch Pet Fooled, it will tell you. And I could not believe how disgusting the industry is. And the pet food industry in general, they are their own watchdogs. So how much do you think they actually pay attention or care or monitor themselves? So There's no third party monitoring what's going on here and, one of the scenes, and you will have to watch it to believe it, but they had this pile of horses and cows, like carcasses, and, and they were like, well, how else would we deal with them if we weren't going to put it in pet food? Like they were saying there would be an extreme backup of carcasses in the landfills if they weren't instead feeding it to the dogs. And so it's like, of course, you, the dog is the way we dispose of our crap. And I,

Pate:

trash cans,

jme:

I was just like,

Pate:

garbage disposals.

jme:

That was their argument, literally, where else are we going to put it? And I was like, wow. So when you see that those are the people making decisions about pet food, you really have to start to think about it. And this too is why a lot of people cook. Their own pet food, yeah. Yeah, and uh, oh I wanted to tell you I saw just food for dogs in the grocery store In Albertson's really yeah instead of fresh pet they have just food for dogs

Pate:

Interesting and that was a food that we used for one of my special needs.

jme:

Yeah

Pate:

I I do it quite often with my special needs that won't eat

jme:

it was cooked though. It's good.

Pate:

Yeah, it's cooked food

jme:

It's kind of like the farmer's dog or something

Pate:

Maybe I'm not like Yeah, the the total like raw food person because there are people that feed raw food to puppies and I don't do that. We don't do that. It's kind of like my whole thought is like, it's kind of like honey, right? You don't give babies under a year, honey. You don't give puppies, actually, you don't want to give honey to dogs under a year old, because of botulism, right? I think it's botulism. Is it botulism?

jme:

I don't know, which is weird because, because honey is actually an antibiotic,

Pate:

depending on it, because you gotta figure that,

jme:

well, but, it lasts for, Millions of years thousands of years,

Pate:

but but you're talking about manuka and manuka is totally different than like your freaking like Clover stuff in the u. s. I mean manuka is like freaking expensive as hell. But yes, she's correct. Manuka is supposed to be an antibacterial, it, um, it promotes healing, it's like, but you gotta look and, and you gotta look and see like how much of the concentration of the whatever it is. I did research this because, with my surgical complications, I actually have Manuka, and I was taking it every day to help.

jme:

In a pill?

Pate:

No, honey. Oh, yeah.

jme:

Oh, okay. Just like honey, putting honey on stuff.

Pate:

Yes. And then not normal honey. Cause like, you know, the honey that we get here in the U S it doesn't have the properties that Manuka does.

jme:

I see.

Pate:

So Manuka is very special, very expensive from New Zealand only. But yeah, she's correct. But you know what? I didn't look at Manuka for kids under one. I was just looking at the benefits of it just because of my lack of healing abilities. So that's that they like touted Manuka as something to do besides increasing my intake of protein. So you can make your own raw food. You can purchase raw food that's already pre made, save you some time.

jme:

Cause they put. Like, veggies and nutrients in it.

Pate:

Well, yeah, they make it well balanced, right? Whereas, like, if you make your own, you better do some research.

jme:

Right, like, you can't just give them a piece of chicken and think that that's enough. You would have to put supplements in. Exactly. Taurine is important for heart development.

Pate:

And then that's the thing, is like, Jane was talking about Just Food for Dogs, which, ironically, um, uh, they do make their pre made. Which I use a lot because it basically looks like food because it is. And they have recipes on their webpage, but they have, a supplement that you can add to your food to help make it, if you're making your own food, it's like a vitamin supplement to make it more well balanced.

jme:

Interesting.

Pate:

Yeah, that's correct.

jme:

All right. Well, we have run out of time for today. I'm Jamie.

Pate:

I'm Pate. This is our podcast, Rescue Shit.

jme:

Rock on.

Pate:

Rescue on.

jme:

Yay.

Pate:

Yeah, and don't forget to email us if you have any questions or want to talk about a certain topic or listen to us babble about a certain topic.

jme:

RescueShit@motleyzoo.org.

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