E17- Service Animals

What is a service animal? What about an ESA? Or therapy dog? Learn the differences and the frustration and confusion that surrounds this issue- especially when people are seeking a dog to perform one of these duties.

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Hi, I'm Jme And I'm Pate. And this is, oh wait. We are Motley Zoo Animal Rescue, and this is our podcast Rescue Chef. We're a bit rusty because it's been a few weeks since we've recorded, so It's been a minute... Although, I screw it up every time, so there's really no excuse for me. Okay. Today we are going to talk about... Controversy. Yeah. Service dogs and what really they are, what kinds of, I don't know, jobs they do, and basically a lot of misunderstandings that people have about them. Right. So it's basically like service dog versus emotional support animal, because a lot of people get. Them confused and they feel that they can interchange those titles. And they're two totally different types of dogs actually. I mean... Well, and then we have therapy dogs, which is a different kind of dog so there's a lot of confusion when people tell us that's what they want. One we have to clarify, and two, we always try to steer them in the right direction. Right, But do they ever listen? Mm. I would say 99.9% of the time they do not. No, they don't. Because they know better. They know the best. They do. They know everything. Especially the people on Next Door. Oh my God. They know better than me. They know better than and yeah, they like to argue. Well, those statistics are not actually, or something about... I think they get on next door just to argue. They're like, I'm having a shitty day. Yeah. Let me get on next door and argue with my neighbor. Like, why? Well, and someone was like, those statistics, and I like, she was basically saying her opinion was more valid than statistics. And I was like, block you. Okay. So what is a service dog? An actual service dog? An actual service dog is a dog that performs tasks for a certain disability per the American Disabilities Act. You are not allowed to ask a person with a dog who says that this is their service dog. You're not allowed to ask them what their disability is and if that is actually a service dog. But what you can ask them is what tasks does that? That was my throat. No, my God. I'm like, are you hungry? No. Yeah. What tasks can that dog perform for you. So this would be like a guide dog for the blind? Yep. It would be a dog that detects seizures. Yeah. Seizure Alert dog. It would be a mobility Companion. Correct. Those are the typical things that you think of with a service dog. And, and then some other dogs, such as the seizure alert dog. That person may not look quote unquote disabled, but they can have seizures and that dog can alert them. The dog can use pressure when they're having a seizure, things like that to help them. You can also have diabetic alert dogs who know when your blood sugar is low. You've got, dogs for the deaf who can let their owners know when the phone's ringing or. Well, I mean, does anyone have house phones anymore? Someone's at the door. Yeah. Someone's at... The house phone. I know. Back in the day. Mm-hmm. That's what they did. They're like, here, let me get this phone for you. But, and then also, did I, did I, did I say diabetic dogs? Mm-hmm. Okay. There's something else. Oh. ptsd. Oh. So, you've got the, um, psych, that one's kind of psychiatric, not psych. They're not psychiatric. What's the term? Emotional. No, but they're not emotional. I know, but that's, that's where it starts to get Like the fine line between an emotional support animal (mm-hmm) and a service dog. A service dog is registered specifically as... There's no such thing as a registry for service dogs. No. You can't even get certified. There's no such thing as a certification. So we need to let you know that if someone says that they can certify your emotional support animal or your service dog, that is totally a complete fallacy. Well, what would you say the difference then between the service dog for PTSD and an emotional support animal are? Well, an emotional support animal, cannot... it doesn't perform tasks for you, right? So it can... Neither does the I don't I, okay. They can actually, if someone is having a panic attack or, having, some like out of control, anxiety. You can actually have a service dog for that who will, pretty much, either like, make you sit, do pressure points on you. Not pressure points, but like a weighted blanket until you calm down. So it, it is performing a task. And that's the difference, is that these dogs are trained. Mm-hmm. It is not little like fluffy going into, you can't even, don't even tell me that this little chihuahua is your service dog because I, you know what? That's, that's, that's not true. True. That's not true. Because I was gonna say, the other thing is most of them are trained, but dogs like Matthew Broderick that we adopted out sense the woman's seizures. Mm-hmm. And he will never be a service dog because he's a jerk. Right. I love you, Matthew. But he tells her when she's going to have a seizure, Leisha's dog tells her when she's going to have a seizure also. Not trained to do that. Just happens to do that. Right. But they're not, that doesn't make them a service dog because you have to be able to be in the public. You have to be trained. Correct. No, I understand that. And, and Weenie is. Mm-hmm. But what I was gonna say is that when we were in Florida, apparently it's a rampant problem there to fake service animals. Yes. And we went to this restaurant where there was a big like sandwich board sign, and it said faking service animals is a crime and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Leisha is walking in with a walker. Mm-hmm. She could barely walk. Her eye is closed from a stroke that she can't see out of one eye. (Mm-hmm) And the guy came up all up in arms like puffy and like in our face and he's like, I don't know. He's like, no dog's in here. I'm like, it's a service animal. Mm-hmm. And he was like, what task does it perform? Exactly. Which they can ask. And I was like, detect seizures. And he was like, okay. But I. Technically it should have three tasks. But why would you attack the person... Who obviously... Who's walking with a walker? Yeah. And has one eye open. Like I can understand if you see someone perfectly normal and they, they're like, oh, it's my service dog. But... So yeah, but you, you have people that are like, go to... I get that, but... Like Walmart or whatever. Look at her. Look at her. Yeah. And then we sat down and they didn't have a lick of vegetarian food. Mm-hmm. So except a salad. So... That's cuz you're in a red state. Well, I... I went there, I totally went there. But, but we, so we sat there for a few minutes and then we got up and the guy came over like worried. I think he thought we were, you know, I don't know, going to do something or say something. And he's like, is everything okay? Are you okay? Do you need something? And I was like, no. I was like, we just we're vegetarian and we can't eat here. And he's like, oh, okay. So we left, but. And then when, later when we were on the beach, I had Weenie in my arms, but I was, standing next to the walker and this guy that we'd seen him riding by and kind of heckling people and just being a dick, he, he said something about, like, no, you know, no dogs on the beach. So during this time I saw numerous dogs running around on the beach. Yeah. Not wearing service vests, not acting appropriately, not in control, clearly not service dogs, just people making it up. Right? Here I am standing next to a fucking walker and he yells something at me. And by that time I just about had it. There had been a few different instances of how like the disabled are not treated well. Yeah. And how difficult it was. Like there was one place where we couldn't could, I couldn't open the bathroom door because it was so tight. Yeah. Yeah. And so she got stuck in the bathroom. Oh my god. And so had Weenie been there, she, she... I just about had it and I yelled at the guy, I'm like, mind your own fucking business asshole. I'm like, it's a service dog. And, and he said something else. And I, I don't even remember what I said. I. But I, I went off and Bryan was walking over at the same time and he's like, what happened? The dude called the police on me. Nice. And and he thought he was gonna be smart, but honestly, the police don't care and so we're now Leisha's back from the water with Bryan and we're sitting on the blanket and Weenie's in, in the basket in her walker. Mm-hmm. So like under the seat. So her head sticks out the side and all you can see is her head and the police go by and they, they look at us and they keep going. And I turn... Because she's in a walker. Cause she's got a fucking walker. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, I was so mad. Yeah. And the lady at the hotel told her she couldn't come in and get breakfast because her walker would be in the way. Nice. And Bryan lost it. Oh my gosh. And for Bryan to lose it. That's huge. Bryan never gets upset. No. And he goes, that is really rude. And he goes and inappropriate. She has every right to come in and get her breakfast. And he's like, get out of our way. Oh my God, go, Bryian damn. And yeah, he never like loses his temper. No, but he's like, that is so rude and inappropriate. It is. And I, but like I said, so by the time we'd had multiple things happen. Yeah. I was just like, what is wrong with people that they would treat someone who's clearly suffering... Right. In such a horrible way. I mean, nevermind the dog part, but just... Right, right. Just in general. So yeah, that was, that was an experience. Well, I'm sure, but you know, I mean, I, I kind of, I don't get it, but I, I do find it annoying when people bring their dogs into, like the grocery store and it's obviously not a service animal. I get that. Because it is not trained. Yeah. Or, or they're like, some chick comes in and I totally interjected, but she was with her husband and she had a service dog in training with her puppy. In the grocery store and the puppy is nosing and smelling all the veggies and everything like that. And she's getting mad at him. And then I kind of looked at her and, and the husband was like, he's in training. And I was like, then you need to be in training because you're not doing a good job. That is not how you fucking train. And I was like, that is not how you train a service dog. And I don't know what tasks that you are having him perform, but you are not even doing the right foundation for basic training. Right. And this is not socializing him, having you yell at him in a fucking store. Yeah. And then they just were, I think they were shocked because you know, no one else is saying anything. And I'm like, first off, the dog needs to fucking heel and it's a puppy. So you need to make sure that he stays with you. Well and puppies aren't well behaved. You can't take a puppy into a grocery store and know that it's not gonna poop or pee on the ground or do something terribly embarrassing least of all... Go to fucking Lowe's. Well... You know, if you want to socialize your dog to like a store environment. But don't, yeah, that's not the appropriate place to work on training for your puppy that may never... And then if you're getting frustrated... May never want to be a service dog. Oh my God. Oh, remember that woman that had the Doberman Pincher puppy? Oh, yeah. She bought a Doberman Pincher puppy bought her, so... She bought two. Oh God. The, the siblings. Oh, Jesus. No, but I just remember the one, it was black and tan and she wanted it as a mobility dog. And then, you know, to be a service dog and... Oh, that lady guy. Yeah. Different. And then, yeah, and then I we're like he does not have the right temperament. No. Because... He was not a good dog for that. He was. He was. He was huge. And he was aggressive. So he was a huge, no, he was a chicken shit. Oh. Remember? He wouldn't even cross the threshold to the door. You're right. It was that one. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And she was told, do not get a puppy. You know, get someone who's a little bit more established, someone who's already strong, someone whose personality is already there because she did not want to purchase a service dog because service dogs can be upwards of like, what, $10,000 or something? Because they're highly trained, right? Right. So people think it's a deal to get a $5,000 dog. As a puppy... And train it themselves. And train it themselves. But what this is the, the really, the crux of why we are making this episode is that the dogs are barking at something. And they're not service as dogs. They're not happy. So the real reason I wanted to make this episode specifically now is because everyone thinks that you need to buy a purebred puppy to train it to be a service animal. But the problem is that's like getting a human baby and telling and applying their job of astronaut from the minute you meet them and from every minute you meet them, they're going to be an astronaut, not just an engineer, an astronaut. They can't just be a scientist, they're gonna be an astronaut because being a service dog is a highly specialized thing. It's not just being a good dog, it's, but you're putting a job on a baby. Mm-hmm. And you don't know that that puppy is going to have the personality that it takes to be a service dog. Right, because I mean, you have to think about all the dogs that go through the, the Guide Dog project, right? That they have a specific breed labs from a specific breeder who supposedly these dogs have the right temperament because they're bred to do a job. Right. And it doesn't... And you know what? Even when they're bred to do the job, like nine outta 10, they don't even make it. Well, and it doesn't mean that you have to get that dog, that kind of dog as a service dog. But they are used as service dogs because they have been bred for so long to have the qualities and temperament in general. But that does not mean they will. Exactly. That's why nine out of 10 of 'em cannot be a sight dog and then a guide dog is a lot more stringent because obviously they cannot be distracted because they could lead someone into the road or, you know, they could be distracted and chase a squirrel and, I mean, and then take their blind person down or, you know, right. They, they step on a curb wrong, you know. So, so this, the reason that this bothers me so much is because people don't- every time we tell them, you need to get an adult dog that has the personality and then train it to do the tasks. Right. Because that is possible. If you find a dog with the right personality (mm-hmm) you can train it. But no matter how well you train a dog with the wrong personality, it will never be what you need it to be. And it's not just a personality, it's their endurance too, because if you have a dog who cannot work all damn day, then there's no point because they have to have the endurance to, to, to be with you all the time. And well, and we had a dog like that. Wants to have a job. We had a dog that failed as a bedbug dog because he got tired. He would sniff the dog, he would sniff the bedbugs, and he did a good job. But he would lose interest partway through the day. Yeah. Yeah. So he did it. He was trained and he had the right personality, but he didn't have the endurance. Yeah, he, yeah, he, he didn't have the drive. He's like, whatever. But you don't know that a dog is gonna have that... A puppy. Endurance and that personality until they're older. So people are like, but you need to train them as a puppy. Right. You take 10 dogs as an agency and you train them, and if you're lucky, five would go through and become service dogs. No. I'm saying if you're lucky. If you're lucky, the other five are only going to be pets. Well trained pets. Extremely well-trained pets. But if you are lucky, 50%. And this is what the girl on Next Door was trying to argue with me about, and she's like, but you have to get a puppy and- she got a Maltese for a mobility dog. Oh. And I was just like... Okay. And I was trying to help her by saying, look, I know you love your dog. Probably not the right dog for what you're trying to do, and here's the reasons why. Maybe we can help you find the right dog right now. Mm-hmm. So that you can have what you need right now. And not have to wait till this puppy grows up and isn't gonna be what you want anyways. Yeah. I mean, a Maltese is not a mobility dog. I mean, well, and then another girl got on my case and she's like, dogs are bred to be like, I'm like, no one's breeding Maltese for mobility dogs. No one's breeding Maltese for service animals. Okay. Yeah, and I'd like to say that there is a breeder, who doodle, right? They, they, they make doodles with these perfect temperaments and they can be a wonderful emotional support animals and service dogs and therapy dogs. And, and I'm like, okay, so you're inbreeding basically. So, to get a certain temperament and, and then you don't even want your crazy dog bck. Well, and you're selling a lie. Yeah, you are. They may grow up to be a service dog, but they may not. They are selling lies. Yeah. Breeders are selling people lies for thousands of dollars. Yeah. And then, yes, they won't... They don't want it back. They won't take them back when they're not what they think they are. They don't want an aggressive biting puppy because that is not what they're selling. And then they end up in the shelter and... Or with us. And we need to now take care of this problem. Meanwhile, we're trying to teach people not to fall for the lie, and they so want to believe the lie they will argue anything, including statistics and I was called an ableist because I said an emotional support animal is there for psychiatric, issues and, and disorders. Yeah. Psychiatric means problem with the mind. I'm not making a judgment. I'm just, I'm just saying if you have to... It's called medical terminology people. Exactly. She's arguing medical terminology with me. You need to be diagnosed... Yes. With a medical problem to legitimately have an emotional problem. You have to, yeah, you have to have a medical disorder. A psychiatric disorder, depression, adhd, although I don't know anyone with ADHD who wants a, an ESA. ESA is emotional support animal. So she was basically telling me I was ableist because I was pigeonholing people with mental disorders and that people can have emotional support animals for a lot of reasons. Mm-hmm. I'm like, that's called a pet. Exactly. That's, yeah. That's just, just because the pet lowers your blood pressure (yeah) Doesn't make it an emotional support animal. No. So isn't the most ablest thing you could be doing is taking away the designation that gives people with disabilities a, a privilege or a right that someone else doesn't have, and you're trying to take that away by saying that everyone should have that right? Yes. To have an, like, you don't need to have a diagnosis to have an emotional support animal. Well, and and that's the thing is that this, this, we see this a lot. Can you tell It bothers me? I know. No, it bothers me too. Especially when I see them in the stores and they're ill behaved and I was like, You know what? No. Train your damn dog. I don't care if it's a service dog. It's not a service dog because it would be trained, or an emotional support animal. And your emotional support animal should be fucking trained. It's no excuse not to train your animal. But the thing is, is that like we get so many applications that we get so many, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but... We want to help. Everyone wants... Help. Yeah. Everyone wants, they're like, I need an emotional support... But they want puppies and, and then they don't listen when we try and tell them, that is not how you get what you want. You're rolling the dice. Whereas we could instead find you an adult dog that will do exactly as you want. Mm-hmm. Because it has the right personality and you just need to train it. Right. Why do you want to gamble with a puppy when you are less likely to get what you want? Right. And I mean, and then you know, puppies go through different reactionary periods, like a fear stage or reactionary stage. And if you have an emotional support animal and you're trying to walk down the road and you haven't trained him and he's yapping and barking at other people, other dogs, that's not, that's, that's gonna cause you more anxiety than anything, you know? But yeah, I mean, we get a lot of people that want emotional support animals, and I'm like, okay, where's your letter, your prescription from your doctor that says that you have a disability that requires an emotional support animal. I mean, that's the definition of an emotional support animal. And the girl, the girl's trying to, one just rile everybody up. I did not take the bait and I basically was like, oh, great, maybe you can help this person then. Yeah, you didn't take the bait and now you're like bitching about it over podcast. Because I'm so mad. I am so tired of people trying to get puppies. And why do they keep believing the lies that breeders are telling them? It is killing animals. It is killing animals in the thousands, in the tens of thousands, and we are trying to stop it. And no one gives a shit what we say. Well, and, and what what's annoying is that they're like, oh, well, getting a puppy from a rescue is so hard. I'm just gonna go buy one. And then what happens when you buy one and you and the landlord's like, where's your letter. You know your ESA letter and you never got one. So, I mean, because the breeders don't care. I mean, I shouldn't say all breeders, but the majority of your Craigslist breeders... Just breeders. Most of the breeders, they're not reputable. That's the problem. Everyone wants to say they're breeder's reputable, but they're not. If they were, we wouldn't have this problem. Yeah, that's the bottom line. If your breeder's not showing and it's not working. So when we say breeders, we mean 99% of the breeders that cause the problems that we're dealing with. Mm-hmm. And, so yeah, you need to know that if you have an emotional support animal, that doesn't mean that you can take your ESA into the store. All an ESA allows you to do is live in, like whatever housing you're in, you are allowed to have that dog or cat in that housing, that apartment, that house that you're renting, et cetera. And then yes, you might be able to take it on a plane, but the more people that abuse this, you're not gonna be able to take your ESA on a plane if you, if you cannot train your ESA... Like the emotional support peacock that got kicked off of flight. No, about the ESA dog that bit a, a steward. Oh. Wait, yeah. Are they called stewards or... No, flight attendants. God, I can't keep up with the terminology. Just ask me about animals. But can I tell you that the reason that I even responded to this girl is because she had been, she had been asking for help. Yeah, she bought this puppy and then she's like, I'm struggling to train it. Yeah. Basically I need, I need free training is what kind of what it seemed like she was going for. And she really is disabled. Right. But, but no one was, no one was offering free training. Right. Because who does that? Right. And then secondly, then she was saying her, her caretaker is tired of trying to help her train her puppy. So that's when I was like, okay, look, I've seen your posts, I've seen that you need, you seem overwhelmed (right) here. Here's what I can tell you. Here's what I can offer you. I'm trying to help. And at first, you know, obviously she, that's not what she wanted to hear is (mm-hmm) get rid of your dog and we'll give you a different one that works better. Well, that I can actually like, maybe pull something... Can do the job that you needed to do. And and I just, I immediately was like, okay, nope, you, you seems like you got it under control then, because she was like, I don't need help training. And I'm like, okay, that's just... But you just said that your caregiver, that's just what... I know. That's just what she said. And she's like, no, I basically need a treat and train thing, which is like a camera with a treat dispenser, and... How is that gonna train your dog to do the tasks? So at this... Mobility tasks. For you, at this point I'm like, this girl seems like she's just playing the disability card, because then I remembered I had seen her asking for free supplies. Mm. So let's say she paid $3,000 for this Maltese, let's just say... Okay. Then she wants the community to give her all free stuff. Free training and, and then, you know, and nevermind it doesn't matter! You can train the dog all you want. It's not gonna do what you needed to do. Right. Yeah. And so, so then I was like, well, I'm, you know, I'm really sorry. I'm sorry you're struggling. And I was being really nice about it, and I was like, okay. Done. And then that girl, other girl jumped in and was like, you're an ableist, and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, maybe you guys can, maybe she, she can help you. Because clearly she knows more than I do. Yeah. Like, and I said as a rescuer, I have, I've had 1500 dogs through my home. Many of them, because of this situation that they have not become the dog that people needed them to, and they gave them up. So I'm not full of shit. I didn't dedicate... It's pot-a- potty day. Okay. Okay. Now that our porta potty is delivered, but seriously, I, I, I get that you have an opinion. That's great. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Yes. But why? You're not the expert. I'm the expert. I've dedicated my life to this. Why are you arguing with the whole like point of why I even do this work? You don't know. You can't make up statistics. You can't make up medical terminology. You can't just, just saying it doesn't make it true. But it's the science. It's always. Well, the science says, and you know what, the science used to say that Brontosaurus existed. That's all I gotta say. Oh, and Christopher Columbus discovered America. That Raper and Pillager. Um, yeah, actually I read a story about him and he was real horrible person, and no one liked him. Actually, the whole, the queen of Spain, like banished him. Well, she was trying to get rid of him. She was hoping he was probably gonna die on one of his quests. And then he came back and she's like, dammit. Yeah, no, he was a horrible, horrible person. Yeah, he was way more than I I ever knew. And he never set foot in the United States. That is correct. Mm-hmm. Jerk Face. So anyway, this subject really, really, really bothers me especially because people will do anything they can to justify this big lie that breeders are selling people. Let's get back to the differences. Okay. Between, okay, so a service, service, service, analyst service... They perform tasks. They perform specific tasks to help you with your disability. Whatever those tasks are, they have to be able to do at least three tasks. All right. Actually, you know what? Double check that cuz shit changes all the time. Well. Yeah, I mean, I don't know about three specific things, but No, no, that's what I read this time. Oh, okay. Okay. But that's what I'm saying. Double check that cuz things, things change. But, before it was at least three tasks, right? And then emotional support animal is just there to help you, with whatever psychotropic psychotropic. What is that? Psychedelic. So mental or emotional issue? Right. Well, I mean, it's a disorder because it's, it's a medical. You're being able to... It's a medical condition. Okay. Whatever medical condition you have where the doctor prescribes you an emotional support animal. So you have to have a doctor's prescription for an animal to help you. Yes. That is an ESA. It will be in your record. Exactly. It'll be in your medical record. And that is why you... And the insurance company will know. Yes. And that is why you probably don't wanna fake it, because once you have a mental disorder in your record, that... That stays on your record. That's there forever. Yeah. Insurance companies eat that up. Yep. So, This is another reason why this girl's just being like, you don't need to have a emotional disorder or whatever. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Okay. And then, and then the other one would be a therapy dog. So a therapy dog it's trained, it, it has to do, actually, it has to do more training than an ESA because ESAs are not yet required to be trained. Right. They don't have to behave a certain way. The job they're the quote unquote... That's my pet peeve, right, is they don't have to be treated. I know, but the quote unquote job they're doing is comforting you as a person that owns them. Just being there. In a therapy situation, your dog is there to comfort other people. Mm-hmm. Children in a hospital, elderly people in a senior citizen's home, things like that. So that dog has to be like so well trained because it can't wanna bite strangers. It can't be hyper It, it cannot like, most of the therapy dogs that I know have to pass the Canine Good Citizen certification. Yes. Because they have to sit, they cannot jump on you. They cannot lick you, or they should not give you kisses. Mm-hmm. Just to give you kisses. And therapy dogs, you are, you are allowed to touch them. You're supposed to touch them. Emotional support animals, who knows if you can touch them because they might love the person that they're comforting, but they might be... They might rip your face off. Cujo with you. Yeah. And then you're not supposed to touch service dogs because that is distracting to them and keeps them from doing their job. Their job, right? Yeah. And therapy dogs, their job is to be there for people. So, my last baji that I've had... I heard you like them. I, I love basenjis so much. Did I tell you that I was driving and there was a light in the car in front of me. It was a red light and there was a car in front of me, and I was like, huh. It's like, is that a basenji? And my heart just like dropped and then a little basenji had poked out and then another basenji had poked out. And then I was like, that sucks. I'm gonna like ram this car. I'm gonna steal her dogs. Yeah, if only I could have a basenji anyway. So my basenji Maxwell was not your typical basenji so. He did not, like to bite people, for no reason. He did not run away. He was well trained. He did agility. I have pictures to prove it. And he did therapy with my husband, who's an occupational therapist, and he was working with stroke patients. So he would bring Max to work with him. And, because basenjis are hypoallergenic supposedly, and they're, they're clean. They're like a cat. And he also did not lick people because basenjis can be aloof. He was the perfect, therapy dog. Helping people actually. I mean, he wasn't just there for them to pet, but he would help them with their stroke exercises just by, I mean, allowing them to pet. They could work on their hands, they could throw the ball for him, work on dexterity, things like that. Because when you have a stroke, sometimes you lose function. Yeah, except... Functionality. Except Leisha's had like eight and somehow she's still pretty... You know what? Okay. No, no. She's just, no, she's just like some medical anomaly. We cannot even compare things with her. I can't even understand how she, how they haven't put her in a bubble. Tried to study. Don't give 'em ideas. No. This is my, one of my best friends from Elementary school, and she's had cancer for many years and somehow... Just outta control. She just keeps. Going and it really is shocking. No one understands how her doctors don't understand. She is that stubborn. Mm-hmm. That she is, wants to be there for her kids. She's that stubborn. She literally has out stubborned death. I think she has. She has. Yeah. So I was. Looking up whether or not you need three... Tasks. Tasks, but I find a lot of service dog registries. Okay? And remember what I said. They're a fallacy. Do not pay them money. It is not required. You do not need to certify your animal and you do not need to register your animal cuz there's no national registry and there's no national certification process to have an ESA. Okay, here's the ADA.. So the real ADA. Okay. How a service animal service animal is defined. Defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks. Examples include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who's having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with post-traumatic stress disorder during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. They are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person's disability. Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA because that's an emotional support animal. Let's see. Service animals are allowed, service animals must be under control of the handler. That means training. Okay. What is that? Oh, that was weird. Yeah. So again, on the ADA site, are service animals in training considered service animals by the ada? And the answer is no. So that because they're not trained right. That lady was wrong. I mean, not we knew that, but yeah, I'm just saying like, yeah, you, it's not the public's job to deal with your untrained service dog because you hope it can be a service dog later because you think you can train it and obviously you can't because I saw you unable to train your dog doing basic things much less Any, any TA specific disability tasks. You know? Yeah, so, so I can't find anything about how many tasks really, I don't think there's a qualification for that. I think as long as it's performing a task that that is a. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna look it up. So, here's one too. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified? So, No, cover covered entities may not require documentation such as proof of the animal being certified. There are, however, individuals and organizations that sell service, animal certification or registration. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that a dog is a service animal. See, don't pay for that shit. Don't. Mm-hmm. Buy a lie on top of a lie when you already bought the lie in the first place. Don't buy another one. But why? Why are we the last people that people ever listen to? They'll listen to their vet. They'll listen to their breeder. Everyone else is like, their word is God and ours is never important or valid. I don't know. My breeder told me to do this. Oh yeah. I don't, well fuck your contract. I don't care about your adoption contract. That doesn't mean anything to me. Right. But you know the contract with the breeder... But the breeder, I'm going to give my dog back to the breeder and let the breeder breed it and keep it for nine months. What the fuck? Yeah. The people have actually told us that. Yeah. Why would you give your dog back? For, to put it in danger. Like, like, and people think that's normal. People think that's cool. Like it's just like an ego stroke. All of it is an ego stroke. Well, yeah. I mean, cuz you have to have a, you know, you're, you're into a certain breed or, or a certain look or whatever. A lot of it is, I mean, think about it, the like dogs. A lot of our dogs were bred for certain jobs, right? But then all these companion type of dogs, we have companion dogs, like the companion, the toy breed. They, they like, dude, seriously there, there's no work that they do. That Toy breeds works. Ratters. They're not toy breeds. Toy Fox Terriers. Do they. Do they hunt Toy foxes? They do the little mini ones, but yeah... Toy Fox exteriors are my favorite. I know, but there's no purpose to them. Oh, you know, it's a look. It is a look. They can hunt rats, although mine never did. Jasmine was afraid of. Exactly. She was a rat terrier, but she's still afraid of of little creatures. We need a rat terrier. Can I have the Jughead? Can I have my Archie's back? I want all three of 'em to do the job here. Gouda will. Oh no she did not. Well, maybe... She sucked. She was defective. No, she's not. So that today's episode was based on Jme's pet peeve, and so hopefully you know the difference between service animals, those who are trained to perform a task versus emotional support animals, those that require a doctor's prescription to support those with mental diagnoses. And therapy dogs, those who are trained to provide comfort to people. To other people. To other people. Mm-hmm. Yeah. In hospitals or nursing homes, et cetera. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm sorry. I got really angry because, I, I, I just don't understand. I don't know why people don't listen. But anyway, it is a pet peeve of mine. That's probably the most irritated I've ever been in this whole podcast. But yeah, I'm not on next door anymore. When I... Damn that social media. When I told Leisha about it and I said something about next door, and I went on to tell her, she goes, I was gonna just tell you right when you started, like the, the being on next door is the thing that you did wrong. Like no matter what you said, it was just gonna go sideways, which is true. I don't even know why I'm on there because I shouldn't be. I know. Yeah. No, no. But yeah. Anyway, so this is Pate. And I'm Jme. This is, Motley zoo... You screwed up this time.. I know. I'm like, was it, how's our ending go? Rock on. No, that wasn't it. Yes. Okay. Fine. Rock on Rescue On. We should trademark that before someone takes it.